Intro/Prelude Cyber Post
Post your response to the reading here. I don't know if students saw the cyber- assignment for Chapter 1: How Real is This? The assignment is still due. You can post it up to Friday. For Prelude, the post is due by midnight, Wednesday, August 28.
Post your response to the reading here. I don't know if students saw the cyber- assignment for Chapter 1: How Real is This? The assignment is still due. You can post it up to Friday. For Prelude, the post is due by midnight, Wednesday, August 28.
posted by Professor Wanda's Posse at 12:50 PM
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In reading the prelude to How Real Is This, Dyson is alluding to the fact that he is angry and appalled at the biases and insinuations that several critics are using in an attempt to contaminate the minds of the hip hop audience by imposing their invalidated beliefs. Like myself, Dyson is extremely analytical and intellectual..therefore his purpose in his writings is to convey to our society the importance of discovering your own truth; or "the truth" so to speak. His message is simple, you can't believe everything you hear...a lot of what is being suggested (as it pertains to the hip-hop culture) contains only partial, if any truth at all.
Ashley Dorsett
ENG 1A 11-1150
As i read the intro and prelude to Dyson's book the first thing i realized was i needed to have my dicionary close by. Dyson starts to talk about how moved he was that this young man at the airport was reading his book not just for extra credit but "for passion, pleasure and pursuit of intellecual stimulation". Dyson goes on and names many people such as Wynton Marsalis and Stanley Crouch as people from his time who say hip hop is some form of "ugly art" when Dyson says that can be used as term for any art like Shakespears's Macbeth and King Lear, i thought that was so true. As i read on i found myself getting pulled into the writting as if i were there to answer in defense every negative thing i heard about Hip Hop. Overall i think this was a good intro to let us know what we will be reviewing and for those who have never read a Michael E. Dyson book to get comfortable with his writting
The first part of the intro is basically a shot out from Jay-Z to Dyson,
on how much admiration he has for Dyson's work and up bringing, since he didn't let
were he lived affect his drive to become a better man.
Prelude, is just opinionated statements by critics such as Marsalis, Crouch, and
McWhorter, pretty much saying the same thing, how hip hop is degrading, and how it isn't
art, Dyson goes off stating hip hop is an art, ether way you look at it.
Sal C
The first part that I got is show that although growing up Dyson didn't have very much it never effected him where he thought he couldnt accomplish anything and in his eyes it opened up opprotunity. He also made a point that everyone has bad situations but that it should never hold you down no matter what skin color you are. With Prelude it goes back and forth on how people have their own opinions about hip hop and how they precieve what hip hop is although people think its disrespectful and has no meaning Dyson sees it as a form of art, of expression, and that it is worthy of studying. With that i think we are not one to judge what people think of hip hop it is how we take it in as a individual.
Marissa Marino
Curtis
Jay Z in the beginning shows all the all the respect he has for Dr. Dyson for what he has accomplished in his life, for coming from where dyson has come from and he has accomplished so much. Then dyson begins to explain how he feels about hip hop in todays society, he feels that all hip hop is a form of art and expression no matter if it is underground or if it is mainstream.
Curtis
Jay Z in the beginning shows all the all the respect he has for Dr. Dyson for what he has accomplished in his life, for coming from where dyson has come from and he has accomplished so much. Then dyson begins to explain how he feels about hip hop in todays society, he feels that all hip hop is a form of art and expression no matter if it is underground or if it is mainstream. then there are many interviews with many of creative and intellectuals like Marsalis,Crouch, and McWhorter and they explain how they feel differently than Dyson feels about hip hop
In the intro, by Jay-Z, Michael Eric Dyson is a man who had struggled through life. Dyson was not one of those kids who grew up with money and fine house ware, in fact, he grew up with some disadvantages which helped him to be driven to success. Dyson talks about hip hop and where it comes from, basically from our lives in America. The songs have meaning to it by containing violence, hatred, drugs, racism, poverty, and even hatred of women. I think this has a lot of information about what is happening to the world and how people react to others. Dyson says “that folk have the right to express themselves,” hip hop is one way that people actually express their feelings out to the public and is some actually are songs that have a point that should get across. I feel that there is a message in this where Dyson is giving out problems that should and need to change.
-Ester Lamborn
Hip hop is a type of music that used to express the feeling of people abour life. It is popular in African American society because it represents the feeling about racism, unfairness in life. Most of the time, hip hop express the depressions about some particular problems such as civil rights, women's rights. Beside talking about hip hop, the narrator talk about the unfairness of life. For instance, there are a lot of people who go to jail not because they have committed a crime but they dare to stand up for the human's rights like Martin Luther King Jr., a man who has fight for civil rights. Nowaday, instead of standing up and fight or talk about their feeling, they have created a kind of music called hip hop. If one wants to understand hip hop, that one has to learn deeply and thoughtfully in order to feel the what the meaning is.
There are a myrad of hip hop critics who do not approve hip hop to be a real music. They think that it is only used on the street and it is inappropriate and worthless to studey. They do not understand the meaning of Hip hop culture. They think that hip hop artists are killing the African American culture. They do not think that hip hop is helpful for African American. They are always ready to fight against it and to destroy it completely. They have never tried to look at hip hop in a positive way to understand it more than what they have thought. They always assume without researching and without knowing how well-known hip hop is. It is true that there are some artists who do not understand hip hop and they are making it worse but it is not enough to justify hip hop. The critics have to look widely, open their mind to see what the hip hop artists can do.
the first part of how real is this shows dyson growing in the tough streets of Detroit and shows how he is not infected by what people thought about hip hop music. people thought that hip hop music is disrespectful to people. but today hip hop music in the music industry have opened up a lot of eyes and making people understand and now people are inspired by hip hop music.
In "How Real I This?", Michael Eric Dyson talks about various aspects as to how hip hop is perceived. He talks about the underground hip hop- how it supposedly isn't made to appeal to every audience; real; not watered-down; and he talks about commercial hip hop: what musci executives preconceived image of what they believe hip hop should be; ofte very stereotypical.
Dyson also disects what ghettocentric black culture is, as opposed to bourgeois negro expression. Ghettocentri being those who lend their voice to those oppressed; and bourgeois: those who are ashamed by black cultures' struggles, and try to almost disassociate themselves from it.
Dyson also points out how some hip hop artists argue that if you haven't lived the hip hop struggle or lifestyle, than you can't really write or talk about it. another interesting point that Dyson brings up is, how maybe alot of black males ho end up in prison, are there because they have this preconceived notion that they were destined to end up there; that while in prison they are reshaping their lives to become better, and prison life can provide more stability than theior own home life- with three meals a day and a definite place to sleep.
This could quite possibly be a sad, but true reality.
Kylah Quintal
Chesi Brown
September 9, 2008
English 1A
RESPONSE TO TRACK #1
Track #1 was very interesting and challenging. I had to use a dictionary for almost every word, so forgive me for responding so late. Ms. Sabir told me once, “When you are writing don’t try to use big words you can barely understand”. I wish she could of told that the Dyson. However, back to Track #1 this chapter was about Michael Eric Dyson and Jones having conversations which address issues on the fight over Authenticity. These issues are between underground hip-hop and commercial rap.
Underground hip-hop is supposed to be real music according to the old school or should I say back in 70’s and the 80’s generation. To them music should focus on segregation, civil Right, or educating the youth. Commercial rap is the new generation up until now and back into the 90’s. This rap era is focusing on making money, and having high price everything such as, flashy cloths, jewelry, and fancy cars.
What Dyson is expressing is that it’s the major cooperate companies who are encouraging these artist to act this way. To the industry this is what sales and this is what the people want to see. However, Dyson does admit that there are so artist’s in the industry that are aware of what they are doing and think it’s cute. He explains how some of the artists have never had anything and to hide a lot of pain and enter issue they are having. Artists seem to think it cool to kick down another artist to get head, so in fear that there spot will be taking and now a lot of people are following these patterns because they think it’s in.
Dyson also speak about how some blacks feel if you aren’t from the hood or a broke down community that you can’t understand how it feel to have nothing. For instance, an artist who raps about the hood and the project that have never been to these areas their considered fake which means they’re not “keeping it real”. Keeping it real is a phrase that people are taking out of conduct. To me you don’t have to be from the hood to understand the hood. I hear about a lot of rich white kids wanting to commit suicide everyday because they feel their father or mother don’t love them or spend a lot of time with them. An average person would say, “That’s a dam shame he got all that money, cars, fat house, and anything money can buy and he’s complaining he’s just stupid”. Some think that to understand what his problems is you would have to be white, rich or suicidal, but that’s not true. I understand because I can feel the pain of others no matter the cause.
Ammnah Babikir
I agree with Elesha, basically we need to seek out the truth with analytical, investigating,and understanding eyes, if not then we allow ourselves to become full of all this garbage to be at the disposal of everyone who thinks they understand "hip hop" but don't really understand HIP HOP! It’s a mind set that we as real conscience individuals need to put in the right perspective for these pretenders who talk so much.
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