Lystistrata
Today we talked about "argumentation," in light of Greek playwright Aristophanes hilarious "Lysistrata," who has a unique and clever suggestion to end the war. We read aloud and will continue this week to read the play finishing up either Thursday or Monday.
We talked about the inductive proof and deductive proof, that is moving from specific eveidence to the conclusion or inductive reasoning or looking at a more general statement and a paticular instance of the generality to see if it shares qualities like those stated about a fish or a college student.
I got kind of lost in the college student example of a deductive argument.
Community College students are from the following populations: retired, high school graduates, reentry adults.
Wanda is retired.
Wanda is a community college student.
This argument is not necessarily true, in fact it is false, because all retired students are not community college students.
I read students the following notes and the play can be found at the following URL. If anyone wants to be the voice coach and help us with pronunciation, you can have extra credit. Also, if any students wants to in the responses I'd like you to post daily, want to add historical and other such information about the play and the characters and the war mentioned, you can also have extra credit.
Cyber-freewrite
Just reflect on the play, it's characters, the premise and the process of reading and listening today.
Homework is to bring in drafts of the Social Entreprenuer essay. Follow the assignment directions. One student wrote an essay on a man. You need to talk to me if you want to change the assignment and have a compelling argument to justify it.
Some students are taking too long to get the revisions into me; you only have 1-week and I need all the graded parts. Type the templates for the Parallel Structure essay. If you have any Pidd essays outstanding you only have until Thursday to get them into me. To pass the class, you have to pass all the essays. Three are essay exams: Pronoun Agreement, Possessives, and Parallel Structure. You have to make arrangments with me to take the exam and this needs to happen between May 4-10.
Lysistrata
http://www.theatredatabase.com/ancient/aristophanes_005.html
http://drama.eserver.org/plays/classical/aristophanes/lysistrata.txt (the play)
LYSISTRATA, the third and concluding play of Aristophanes' War and Peace series, was not produced till ten years later than its predecessor, the Peace, viz. in 411 B.C. It is now the twenty-first year of the War and there seems as little prospect of peace as ever. A desperate state of things demands a desperate remedy, and the Poet proceeds to suggest a burlesque solution of the difficulty.
The women of Athens, led by Lysistrata and supported by female delegates from the other states of Hellas, determine to take matters into their own hands and force the men to stop the War. They meet in solemn conclave, and Lysistrata expounds her scheme, the rigorous application to husbands and lovers of a self-denying ordinance--"we must refrain from the male altogether." Every wife and mistress is to refuse all sexual favours whatsoever, till the men have come to terms of peace. In cases where the women must yield 'par force majeure,' then it is to be with an ill grace and in such a way as to afford the minimum of gratification to their partner; they are to be passive and take no more part in the amorous game than they are absolutely obliged to. By these means Lysistrata assures them they will very soon gain their end. "If we sit indoors prettily dressed out in our best transparent silks and prettiest gewgaws, and all nicely depilated, they will be able to deny us nothing." Such is the burden of her advice.
After no little demure, this plan of campaign is adopted, and the assembled women take a solemn oath to observe the compact faithfully. Meantime as a precautionary measure they seize the Acropolis, where the State treasure is kept; the old men of the city assault the doors, but are repulsed by "the terrible regiment" of women. Before long the device of the bold Lysistrata proves entirely effective, Peace is concluded, and the play ends with the hilarious festivities of the Athenian and Spartan plenipotentiaries in celebration of the event.
The drama has a double Chorus--of women and of old men, and much excellent fooling is got out of the fight for possession of the citadel between the two hostile bands; while the broad jokes and decidedly suggestive situations arising out of the general idea of the plot outlined above may be "better imagined than described."
This article is reprinted from Aristophanes: The Eleven Comedies. Trans. Anonymous. London: The Athenian Society, 1922.
Today we talked about "argumentation," in light of Greek playwright Aristophanes hilarious "Lysistrata," who has a unique and clever suggestion to end the war. We read aloud and will continue this week to read the play finishing up either Thursday or Monday.
We talked about the inductive proof and deductive proof, that is moving from specific eveidence to the conclusion or inductive reasoning or looking at a more general statement and a paticular instance of the generality to see if it shares qualities like those stated about a fish or a college student.
I got kind of lost in the college student example of a deductive argument.
Community College students are from the following populations: retired, high school graduates, reentry adults.
Wanda is retired.
Wanda is a community college student.
This argument is not necessarily true, in fact it is false, because all retired students are not community college students.
I read students the following notes and the play can be found at the following URL. If anyone wants to be the voice coach and help us with pronunciation, you can have extra credit. Also, if any students wants to in the responses I'd like you to post daily, want to add historical and other such information about the play and the characters and the war mentioned, you can also have extra credit.
Cyber-freewrite
Just reflect on the play, it's characters, the premise and the process of reading and listening today.
Homework is to bring in drafts of the Social Entreprenuer essay. Follow the assignment directions. One student wrote an essay on a man. You need to talk to me if you want to change the assignment and have a compelling argument to justify it.
Some students are taking too long to get the revisions into me; you only have 1-week and I need all the graded parts. Type the templates for the Parallel Structure essay. If you have any Pidd essays outstanding you only have until Thursday to get them into me. To pass the class, you have to pass all the essays. Three are essay exams: Pronoun Agreement, Possessives, and Parallel Structure. You have to make arrangments with me to take the exam and this needs to happen between May 4-10.
Lysistrata
http://www.theatredatabase.com/ancient/aristophanes_005.html
http://drama.eserver.org/plays/classical/aristophanes/lysistrata.txt (the play)
LYSISTRATA, the third and concluding play of Aristophanes' War and Peace series, was not produced till ten years later than its predecessor, the Peace, viz. in 411 B.C. It is now the twenty-first year of the War and there seems as little prospect of peace as ever. A desperate state of things demands a desperate remedy, and the Poet proceeds to suggest a burlesque solution of the difficulty.
The women of Athens, led by Lysistrata and supported by female delegates from the other states of Hellas, determine to take matters into their own hands and force the men to stop the War. They meet in solemn conclave, and Lysistrata expounds her scheme, the rigorous application to husbands and lovers of a self-denying ordinance--"we must refrain from the male altogether." Every wife and mistress is to refuse all sexual favours whatsoever, till the men have come to terms of peace. In cases where the women must yield 'par force majeure,' then it is to be with an ill grace and in such a way as to afford the minimum of gratification to their partner; they are to be passive and take no more part in the amorous game than they are absolutely obliged to. By these means Lysistrata assures them they will very soon gain their end. "If we sit indoors prettily dressed out in our best transparent silks and prettiest gewgaws, and all nicely depilated, they will be able to deny us nothing." Such is the burden of her advice.
After no little demure, this plan of campaign is adopted, and the assembled women take a solemn oath to observe the compact faithfully. Meantime as a precautionary measure they seize the Acropolis, where the State treasure is kept; the old men of the city assault the doors, but are repulsed by "the terrible regiment" of women. Before long the device of the bold Lysistrata proves entirely effective, Peace is concluded, and the play ends with the hilarious festivities of the Athenian and Spartan plenipotentiaries in celebration of the event.
The drama has a double Chorus--of women and of old men, and much excellent fooling is got out of the fight for possession of the citadel between the two hostile bands; while the broad jokes and decidedly suggestive situations arising out of the general idea of the plot outlined above may be "better imagined than described."
This article is reprinted from Aristophanes: The Eleven Comedies. Trans. Anonymous. London: The Athenian Society, 1922.
posted by Professor Wanda's Posse at 10:54 AM
14 Comments:
Leonardo Martin
Ms. Sabir
English 1A 9-9:50 AM
Lysistra has very deep yet light hear ted comedy that I find very interesting. It shows a different type of empowerment that women have. The gullibility that some of the characters carry is hilarious because it almost seems that they have no ability to think. They just act on what they hear and never listen to what is actually occurring. I find that reading plays out loud makes it more easy for people to understand and actually listen to the play. It becomes more entertaining to read out-loud than to sit down and read it as a novel or some type of writing.
Chelsea Eomurian
Professor Sabir
English 1A 9-9:50AM
4 May 2010
It is hard for me to share my opinion of the play so far without laughing. The pronunciation hasn't been quite figured out since it was the first time reading it today, which made it very comical. With that said, so far the play seems quite funny and entertaining. I am interested to see what the argument escalates to in the coming days. Lysistrata seems to be a very powerful and commanding woman, which I like. Hopefully the next few days will be clearer if the readers can pronounce the words/names more precisely. It is hard because we don't speak Greek, but I'm sure it will work out just fine :)
Jennie Lo
Professor Wanda
English 1A 9-9:50am
4 May 2010
The play was very fun. I agreed with Leonardo that it is more entertaining to read out loud and listen to the lines than read a novel. James and Victor almost dominated most of the lines and they did it very well. The characters in the play were using a very special argument way to express their women power. Even though the background scene of the story was during a war time, the lines were came out lively. We only did it half way today, next few days will surely with more amusement.
Summera Farooq
Professor Wanda Sabir
English 1A 8-8:50am
9 May 2010
Lystistrata
I like the play.It is about women empowerment. I found reading the play out loud makes it easy to understand. The play took place during the war time. Our class read only half of it today. I am looking forward to read the next half of it.
Sabah Said
English 1A
Mon-thurs
5/4/10
9-9:50
Lysistrata play
The play sound nice and interesting. Lysistrata the main character who is powerful and decided to do things on her own. There’s a war going on and manages to stop it. I like how the class shared parts of the play to read out loud. Some students were into the play and even made it more entertaining.
Sabah Said
English 1A
Mon-thurs
5/4/10
9-9:50
Lysistrata play
The play sound nice and interesting. Lysistrata the main character who is powerful and decided to do things on her own. There’s a war going on and manages to stop it. I like how the class shared parts of the play to read out loud. Some students were into the play and even made it more entertaining.
Kimthuy Tran
Professor Sabir
English 1A ( 9-9:50)
The play is interesting. I also think that it is more entertaining to read out loud and listen to the lines than read a novel. However it is hard for me to understand the novel whenever I read out loud because my mind only concentrate to read but not to think about its meanings. James and Victor were excellent to play their roles, and I hope our class will finish the remaining portion.
Nseke Ngilbus
Professor wanda
Eng 1A
05/18/2010 Nseke Ngilbus
Professor wanda
Eng 1A
05/18/2010
I found this play to be very good and funny. The overall theme is that sex is an important weapon. It is as strong as any weapon. The women in this piece use it to their advantage and try to stop men from having sex and stop the war. It is a pretty good idea and it touches on the idea of argumentation. I loved the play, the characters, and the overall theme. Good play.
Ahu Yildirim
Professor Wanda Sabir
English 1A (9 - 9:50am)
9 May 2010
Lysistrata play
The play Lysistrata’s theme was fun, I really enjoyed it. It shows women empowerment from quite interesting view. The way females try to stop war is a very smart idea. I loved the play and characters.
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Professor Sabir
19 May 2010
Lysistrata refects this classes sexist attidute towards men. Once again we are taken down a few notches, and portrayed as stupid sexoholics. I don't find that funny.
SunJungPark
English 1A 8:00-8:50
Professor Wanda Sabir
19, May, 2010
Lystistrata
I like this play, Lystistrata. It is about women empowerment in the war sesion. I found reading the play out loud makes it easy to understand aobut chariter. it is a comic account of one woman's extraordinary mission to end The Peloponnesian War. The dramatic structure represents a shift away from the conventions of Old Comedy, a trend typical of the author's career. This story is funny and sad.
James Barker
Professor Wanda Sabir
English 1A 9-9:50
Lysistrata play
This play was very funny and extremely interesting. The women where going on a sex strike to stop a war that would take their husbands from their homes and posiably for their husbands and men never to return. I had fun reading this play because I had to read the part of Lysistrata, the main character, a woman.
Joshua Duong
Professor Sabir
Eng 1A 8-8:50 am
18 May, 2010
Lysistrata
This play, I bet would be funny, even for today's crowd. The reason being is because of how formal the character speak when talking about the subject of sex and love. This is by far, the funniest play I have read from Shakespeare.
Victor Ani
Ms. Sabir
English 1A
18 May 2010
Lysistrata
This play was very interesting and funny. I enjoyed the character I played. There were many speaking roles for the part. I felt as if I were taking part in a live play. Lysistrata had a sexist attitude toward men.
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